Wednesday, March 26, 2008

"Most Women Are Liars, Manipulators and Backstabbing Bitches"

Yes, well, I'm receiving interesting emails, that's for sure. This one came in over the weekend and I've been debating how to respond to it. Here's what a reader named Komolan asks:

My name is Komalan [I'm striking his middle and last name for anonymity -ed.]. I'm 28yrs-old,grew up between Italy Switzerland and a few years in South-Africa too. I'm currently studying in Manchester UK.
I'll get to the point; I was grown up by my mother to respect a treat women as if they were all nice and righteous... fact is that after being single my whole life, and being treated like scum by women, I've come to the conclusion that, most women, are manipulators, lying and back stabbing bitches. I treat women nicely and get treated badly back. Don't get me wrong, I'm good looking, honest and treat everyone with respect; but I don't get that from women, well, most.
When I greet a woman maybe in a public place, she will "nod" and look at me as if I'm raping her...I can say that I cannot even have a normal conversation with a woman without being harrassed by one of them.
Can you explain why they behave this way...truth is that we men are really second class citizens.

Regards.

Komalon,

I'm sorry your experiences with women have led you to believe that most of them are bad. While it's true, there are some bad women out there, there are some good women, too. Your concerns are legitimate and I will address them in a minute.

First though, I want to talk about the concept of like attracting like. I'm not the only one to notice the pattern that birds of a feather flock together. Often we draw to us the exact sort of people we are like ourselves. Sometimes it's good to look outside your life like an impartial observer and see if you find patterns to the people you attract into your life. A friend of mine dated, successively, men of similar face, build and temperament. If you find yourself attracting a certain kind of woman, you might question what it is about you that attracts this kind. And ultimately, you have no control over how another might act or treat you, but you have control over how your actions and what you find acceptable in the behavior of others. Examine yourself. You say that you treat all people with respect and most women don't treat you with respect. Seek and build relationships with those who do treat you the way you wish to be treated.

Second, and more to what you're asking: Why are women lying, manipulating, backstabbing bitches? Lying: All people have trouble with the truth. Getting a straight answer from a woman can be even more difficult. Maybe conflict bothers her. Maybe she's afraid of hurting you. Maybe she thinks it's okay to lie because she has no moral foundation. Manipulating: People who manipulate see themselves in the one-down position. That is, an overt action would likely be met with confrontation, so manipulation is used to control. It's nasty behavior and difficult to deal with. Backstabbing: I'm taking that to mean that she acts one way to your face, but secretly does things that are mean or awful to you and you find out later. Some people just are out for themselves. Period. They will do anything to anyone to get what they want. It is wise to avoid these people, men or women. Unfortunately, they can be difficult to spot because they seem nice. Here's my advice, though. As soon as you see the bad behavior, bail. When someone shows you herself, believe her.

I'm going to give bitchiness its own paragraph. I have noticed that bitchiness as a character trait in women has come to be extolled especially among the younger women I see. Maybe it's the Paris Hilton effect. I don't know, but women seem to revel in being a trampy looking tease and then biting back and hard when a man appreciates the physical form--an action the woman was obviously trying to provoke. This double-bind is bullshit. Now, I've also known borish, aggressive men, but this post is operating under the assumption of a respectful, appreciative guy. There has been societal support for women to be ungrateful, using, and disrespectful. Maybe it's because they don't respect themselves. Or, more likely, maybe it's because they are spoiled rotten, entitled brats who are used to having things go their way.

Men struggle to be chivalrous, like I encouraged before, and are met with women who feel entitled to the respectful behavior while being bitchy and disrespectful themselves. Girls are socialized with Bratz dolls, see snotty, ditzy, superficial behavior in young adult role models, and hear how awful men are from the older women in their lives. Boys are made to seem bad by schools throughout and by college, girls are steeped in feminist culture where "sex is rape"--or that's what they hear in class. That message is mingled with "embrace your sexual freedom". So young women have this superficial view of women--empowered cock teases, essentially. And sometimes more than teases. They have sex, empty sex, and are taught to remove their attachment to the man and act "like a guy". They get hardened, because women are NOT wired like men and have a more challenging time having random sex. They feel used instead of empowered. They get bitter. And then they wonder why they hit 50 and don't ever get married. They tell themselves, "Men just can't handle a smart woman". Um, honey, maybe a man doesn't want your brand of woman. And then the woman herself feels betrayed. She bought the feminist crap and believed it and lived it.

Of course, not all women are like this. In fact, most women are not at all like this, but it takes time and patience to discover what sort of woman you're dealing with. And some women let you know up front. You have many years of dating ahead of you. I hope you'll look at yourself first--it's really the biggest part of the puzzle you control. And you also have control over who you ask out.

Be choosy.

14 comments:

Anonymous said...

Melissa, I feel badly for this young man and his troubles with women. I think your response to him was well thought out and written with empathy and compassion.

I think one of the most important points you made is the idea of looking at yourself and asking why the pattern. This is not easy for anyone. It is surprising though, how much a person can learn about themselves if they take the time to do that. It was great advise!

The bitchiness of some women is something that I find frightening. When they are in groups it is even more recognizable. I tend you agree with the second notion that you mention here: "maybe it's because they are spoiled rotten, entitled brats who are used to having things go their way." Our society caters so much to women and I read in a post somewhere a man expressing that in the western world, women tend to have more power and lead their men around by the nose.

This gets all very complicated and one can only hope and pray that one has the wisdom and the insight to raise a daughter well in this society in which we live in.

One more thing: because you read a lot, when writing on subjects such as this or the one you did on self sabotage, as well as others, it might be nice and helpful if you would list some suggested reading along with that post. Only a thought. :-)

Melissa Clouthier said...

A friend of mine brought up the idea that maybe this man lacks confidence and has a difficult time with women and puts off a needy vibe. That could be, too. In that case, he needs to do some work to build his confidence.

Wayne said...

Ok, I see a few different threads of thought here, both by you and by your correspondent. I notice that you responded as if he were talking about dating relationships he's had with women, but the tone I got from the letter appeared to be more related to perhaps work or casual relationships, largely because he stated:

"When I greet a woman maybe in a public place, she will "nod" and look at me as if I'm raping her...I can say that I cannot even have a normal conversation with a woman without being harrassed by one of them."

A whole lot of the issue could be the places he frequents, as some places attract this type of woman more than others. Since he says he is studying in Manchester, it may be that the campus environment has a high concentration of the types of women that he is having problems with.

However, Komalan, allow me to suggest this: If there are any women who you are able to speak with normally, and who do not give you a hard time, ask THEM for help. It IS possible that you put off a "vibe" to others that you don't realize you are doing. The women who appear reasonable can be very helpful, in that they can either explain what may be off-putting to others, which they look past, or they may confirm your opinion that the majority of women you are interacting with are bitchy, manipulative, lying backstabbers (It could even be a little of both).

If they tell you something that is unpleasant about yourself, try to overcome it. I don't know what kind of behavior it might be - some men can't seem to bring their eyes off a woman's chest when they talk to them. I presume from what you said about your mother that you would not do something that basic, that was just an example. Don't be too intense about seeking this help, though, because you can put off your friends, too, if you appear too desperate.

Anonymous said...

After dating then being married/ divorced to an American woman who became exactly what this man has described I have learned:
1. American women on a global scale have the worst attitude about men and relationships in general. They are taught from birth that men are garbage and exist to service them and divorce and family law courts are essentially legal lotteries.
2. American women believe "I came to the planet with a vagina, therefore Im a goddess and your dirt". I knew if I married again it wouldnt be a woman corrupted with "Housewives of Orange county " mentality which is pervasive in our society. I met and married a Canadian. She is truly a goddess. I have advised my two sons, date Americans but if you know whats good for you you will travel alot and if you marry find a girl from another country. American women are not worth the trouble nor are they worth more then half your stuff.

Anonymous said...

Anon. 8:27, I am a woman...not born and raised here but American now. You are not the first person that I have heard say this. It is really sad. However, there are a lot of wonderful American women as well and I am sorry that you did not experience that in your dating. I am happy for you that you found a wonderful person now though! :-)

Melissa Clouthier said...

Anon 8:27,

I wonder about making a sweeping generalization about American women:

American women on a global scale have the worst attitude about men and relationships in general.

Really? I know so many great American women. There are as many great American women as there are great American women. I still feel that it's the exception, not the rule, that women give off this vibe. And if you have had such a sweeping experience with so many, I'd look at the common link.

raving lunatic said...

(If we're speaking from a dating viewpoint) It seems to me that the good women are usually 'taken' fairly early on. A smart man knows when he has a good one and doesn't let go. That means that the older you get, the more concentrated the pool becomes with 'bad' women. It seems not only do single women become harder to find, but decent single women get exponentially harder to dig up. I concluded a while back that if a woman gets to be my age (39) and is still single, there's probably a good reason. (I also figure the same applies to men, including myself.)

Christopher Taylor said...

Something is deeply wrong with a society of women who make Sex in the City so popular. This is who you look up to, are entertained by, and want to emulate? These used up, shallow, bitter, unlikable bitches? That makes you feel strong?

I note every one of the women in that show are trying to find a good guy and settle down, then make sure their lives and attitudes are designed in such a way to make that impossible.

Unlike Seinfeld where the characters rejected every potential relationship for the most shallow, trivial reasons, Sex in the City isn't a satire on modern life. It's being portrayed as how women are, and perhaps ought to be. Between them and Oprah Winfrey, there's good reason why more and more young men are going solo.

Anonymous said...

As I get older I've come to the conclusion that most people, especially women, crave discord in their lives. I think in most cases discord acts as an affirmation that they are ‘alive.’ Since for a vast majority our society ‘coddles’ us like no other society in history people have to go out of their way to find conflict to scratch that ‘itch,’ therefore the self-destructive behavior.

traveler_in_time said...

You are right on the money with your answer. Sadly, women who act like that only get worse the older they get (I learned that from experience).

PC said...

I had the same problems like most guys, girls behaving badly. I've even seen most married guys get shabby treatment as well. That definitely deterred me from even relationships and so got my 'dates' from craigslist and the like.
In fact, it's even cheaper to go which such women. And I think most guys nowadays came to that very same conclusion and became so-called 'child-men.' Just join the club

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